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    Re: Scorpion safety

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeroten View Post
    that beam you speak of is an "intrusion beam" and was required for DOT compliance (along with the awful big bumpers) to be imported into the USA. My euro spec 1985 Mercedes 208TE did not have intrusion beams in the doors vs the USA cars which did.
    There was no requirement for a beam itself; in the early '70s the FMVSS standard was for door strength to minimize injury by intrusion, defined by amount of intrusion from an impact of a certain force and angle. There were a decent number of models (both domestic and imported) that either met the standard without adding beams, obtained a waiver, or had delayed implementation.

    A lot of the early beams only served the purpose of strengthening the door to meet that standard. Depending on who you talk to, either Lotus or Saab were the first to use a "side impact door beam" as an integral part of the safety cell (meaning it used the rigid shell to disperse the force in a side impact, and also to some extent contributed to the stiffness in a frontal collision). Given the gestation period of the Scorpion and its having come from a leading design firm, I suspect that the beams are integral to the cell. Would love to know for sure.

    But even into the early '90s, there were cars sold in the U.S. without side impact beams. In the early '90s, the standard was raised once again and became more sophisticated, and manufacturers met it with a combination of side impact door beams (integral to the safety cell), and increasing the overlap of the door over the rocker panel and perimeter of the body opening (to spread the force over the rigid shell). Door locks and latches have also been redesigned and beefed up over the years to aid in this.
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    Re: Scorpion safety

    thanks for that excellent clarification! I never realized that the beam was not mandatory... all of the grey market cars I touched in the late 80s had retrofit beams. maybe just a part of the whole grey market 'federalization' scams of that era as my 280TE did NOT have USA bumpers but was still permitted to be imported.

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    Re: Scorpion safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony K View Post
    ...Depending on who you talk to, either Lotus or Saab were the first to use a "side impact door beam" as an integral part of the safety cell...
    I can't imagine that would conform with the Lotus mandate to "add lightness" but I certainly am no expert on that marque.
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    Re: Scorpion safety

    I wish I would have saved the pictures from that eBay auction. They are gone now. Below is the text, for posterity, before the auction disappears from eBay:

    "
    There are 2 Lancia Scorpions in this listing. Buy one and get the other for free.
    This barn find (my dad's barn) has been stored for over 38 years in a not so great environment.
    My father bought this vehicle with the intention of restoring but unfortunately it never happened and it has pretty much turned to sh*t. The first vehicle has been stored inside but the second one has not but has a complete motor and has heavy front end damage.
    The wrecked Lancia Vin# 137AS0101713 was purchased by me at a salvage auction when I was in the auto parts business. What are the possibilities of finding one of these while owning another?
    Well...a few weeks later the owner of the wrecked Lancia showed up at my office to look at his old car because he had been in the hospital from his injuries. Needless to say he and his girlfriend survived. He said she yelled at him to turn on the freeway off the feeder and in doing so hit a concrete pillar head-on. He informed me that he purchased this vehicle from the former astronaut Allen Shepherd.

    I have a title for one of them (it is a good clean Georgia title) but cannot find the title for the wrecked one but will guarantee that I am the rightful legal owner and can provide you with a bill of sale. It probably has a salvage title anyway. The complete Lancia with title is full of rat droppings and has rust. I can send more detailed photos upon request.

    These vehicles are a Pininfarina-designed rear-engine sports car that was produced from 1975 to 1981 and was called the Lancia Montecarlo in its native Europe. Chevrolet's Monte Carlo necessitated a name change when it came to the U.S. Lancias in general are relatively rare in America since seemingly none of them were designed to last six months past their production date. And I'd wager that with less than 8,000 built in total, the Scorpion is even rarer."

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    Re: Scorpion safety

    And someone else saved the images . . .





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