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    Re: Hagerty guide

    About the 1.2 model in the seventies: I may be wrong, but I seem to recall there was still a Berlina GT with 1.2 engine in series two version... All the other versions (Berlina GTE, Coupe, were 1.3: 302 engine for the Berlina, 303 engine for Coupe, Sport (or 1.6 540 engine for the latter two)

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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Marnix View Post
    About the 1.2 model in the seventies: I may be wrong, but I seem to recall there was still a Berlina GT with 1.2 engine in series two version... All the other versions (Berlina GTE, Coupe, were 1.3: 302 engine for the Berlina, 303 engine for Coupe, Sport (or 1.6 540 engine for the latter two)
    There were no S2 1.2 berlinas. Perhaps you're thinking of the two versions of the S2 berlina; in addition to the 818.612 with a 5-speed, there was also the 818.610 with a 4-speed. But they both had 302 engines.
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    Re: Hagerty guide

    I have looked it up in the S2 parts book. There is mention of the 1231cc cylinder block for the Berlina 1.2. The car is the 818.282 (but that is a S1 car?). The cylinder block for the 1231cc and 1298cc engine is actually identical, being a 302 block, with the 1231cc bored at 75mm and the 303 block bored at 77mm.

    Wheter the 1231 cc block in the S2 parts book was a replacement part for a GT of the 1st series, or that there was a Berlina GT S2, I don't know...

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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Was there not a 1199 version of the s2 Berlina sold only in Greece?

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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Quote Originally Posted by rossocorsa View Post
    Was there not a 1199 version of the s2 Berlina sold only in Greece?
    Yes--just checked the parts catalogue, and there was indeed a 1199cc berlina for Greece: 818.694
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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1,6 HF View Post
    Yes--just checked the parts catalogue, and there was indeed a 1199cc berlina for Greece: 818.694
    to avoid prohibitive Import Tax & High VAT. Lancia Phillip of CH & Malta Dad owned one in Malta when Phil was still in short Pants & had a lot of Hair ... I've seen the fotos !

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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Bumping this, fast forward couple of years, what are the opinions of the members on the current market values of in particular, 1969 Fulvia Rally 1.3S ? Assumption that the car is fully original, well maintained and in excellent running condition (maybe not concourse ). Thanx in advance for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1,6 HF View Post
    The prices seem pretty far off, but some of them simply make no sense whatsoever as 1969 cars. Some of them are technically correct–in 1969 you could still order virtually every previous version of the Fulvia, as you can see from this November 1968 factory-delivery price list.
    Attachment 9707

    But assuming we’re discussing the most current models, and assuming #2 condition–better than driver condition, and assuming US prices (your market may vary)...


    1969 Lancia Fulvia 1.3 S1 Coupe 4-cyl. 1298cc/87hp 2x1bbl Solex: $13,274
    This one’s pretty clear; either a Rallye 1,3 or Rallye 1,3S, neither of which you can find for $13k these days. I’d say the average price is closer to $18k.

    1969 Lancia Fulvia 1.3HF Coupe 4-cyl. 1298cc/115hp 2x1bbl: $36,576
    The 1,3HF had 100bhp–not 115. I doubt you’ll find one for $45k.

    1969 Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone Coupe 4-cyl. 1584cc/130hp 2x2bbl: $106,485

    At least 25% low, which is why the RM Sotheby’s was such a steal.

    1969 Lancia Fulvia S1 Sedan 4-cyl. 1091cc/71hp 2x1bbl: $7,006
    The ‘69 berlina was the GTE with the 1298cc. Very hard to find at all these days; 2Cs and GTs are common by comparison. But they were bought by adults, so if you do manage to find one, it’ll likely be in great shape. It’ll also be likely to take $15k.

    1969 Lancia Fulvia S2 Sedan 4-cyl. 1298cc/95hp 2x2bbl: $7,154
    The S2 berlina was introduced in 1970, not ‘69. But they’re not very low on the price

    1969 Lancia Fulvia Sport Zagato 1.3 Coupe 4-cyl. 1298cc/87hp 2x1bbl Solex: $22,324
    It’s officially "Fulvia Sport" and it’s not a coupé. Last year an S2 sold at Monterey for $49.5k. The average isn’t that high, but it’s nowhere near $22k.



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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Quote Originally Posted by JCS View Post
    Bumping this, fast forward couple of years, what are the opinions of the members on the current market values of in particular, 1969 Fulvia Rally 1.3S ? Assumption that the car is fully original, well maintained and in excellent running condition (maybe not concourse ). Thanx in advance for the input.

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    I assume that "fully original" includes a respray.

    An S1 1,3 (either 1,3 or 1,3S) in that condition in the US is probably $24k - $28k. In Italy, the S1 1,3 is the most desirable non-HF Coupe, so it's probably euros 16K - 20k.
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    Re: Hagerty guide

    Quote Originally Posted by 1,6 HF View Post
    I assume that "fully original" includes a respray.

    An S1 1,3 (either 1,3 or 1,3S) in that condition in the US is probably $24k - $28k. In Italy, the S1 1,3 is the most desirable non-HF Coupe, so it's probably euros 16K - 20k.
    Ed, appreciate your input. Those numbers are pretty much what I thought would be.

    Just for your informations, right now here in Japan, there are several Fulvia for sale by dealers. Three are 1.3S and a Rallye 1.3S, ranging in the US$40k+. The sole Rallye is not there anymore so must have sold which was matter of several weeks. I believe that asking was around 4.5mil JPyen, which is roughly US$40k. There's also a 1.6 HF and another Fanalone (?). Former asking is close to 8mil yen and the latter is like 10mil yen. Seems quite crazy over here relative to the ROW.

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    Re: Hagerty guide

    I have a roster of Fulvias in the US; I don’t have all, but I’m sure I have most. And I have around 275 including all variants. There’s been an ongoing discussion on the AmiciLanciaFulvia forum about how many remain in Italy. Apparently the records include those registered but off the road, but someone was quoting around 17,000 (which isn’t all that surprising with nearly 332,000 built). So it’s as cheap to buy a car in Italy and ship it to the US as to buy one that’s already here, and the selection is obviously much broader. I’d be very surprised if that wasn’t even more true in Japan.
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