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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by jus View Post
    ...the car is 2090, and the engine is 2279 - so it looks like it may have had an engine change at some stage.
    Congratulations!

    Unless there are some obvious signs other than the serial numbers, I very much doubt the engine's a replacement. The engine serial number is by no means too far from the chassis number to be the original.
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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by bmarler View Post
    89k euro seems a bit optimistic as well.
    This website give a true picture of auction sales (and no sale)
    https://www.glenmarch.com/cars/results?make=200&model=5241&auction_house_id=&auct ion_location=&year_start=&year_end=&low_price=&hig h_price=&auction_id=&fromDate=&toDate=&keywords=&s how_unsold_cars=1&page=4&sort=Auctions.start&direc tion=desc

    Hmm that must be what they are worth
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    https://www.glenmarch.com/cars/results


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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by eog View Post


    Hmm that must be what they are worth
    Maurice
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    https://www.glenmarch.com/cars/results


    Hi Maurice. As with all things, I guess they're only worth what someone will pay. It was owned by Raf Geurts who has a huge car centre in Belgium. He bought it privately, because he rallies cars - but he hadn't done anything with it in a year or so, and then advertised it on various web sites. It was up for 99.5K Euros I believe at one point. He put it into an auction just before I found myself in a position where I could afford it - and had to wait for it to end (reserve price of 85K Euros - final bid was 38K Euros). Then - I got it just before the UK was due to exit the EU on the last occasion - which was April 12th. I handed over 75k Euros for it.

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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by 1,6 HF View Post
    Congratulations!

    Unless there are some obvious signs other than the serial numbers, I very much doubt the engine's a replacement. The engine serial number is by no means too far from the chassis number to be the original.
    Thanks Ed. It would be nice if it was the original engine - but with all of the other mods it's had, I kind of assumed that the engine might have been changed. The other information I was basing that on, was a reply from Andrew at Omicron. He has a record of some that are known to be matched pairs, and this is what he said:

    Having put your engine number and chassis number into my spreadsheet, your car is very slightly out of sequence, so I suspect the engine has been changed

    Car 1978 has engine 2040
    Car 2127 has engine 2175
    Car 2154 has engine 2201

    All these are bang-on the trendline. Yours is off slightly – enough to make me think its probably been changed – but for a proper Series 1 HF engine, and not for a Series 2 HF engine.

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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    I also have the following pairs, which I believe to be original:

    chassis 1377 / engine 1442
    chassis 1645 / engine 1724
    chassis 1871 / engine 1804 (engine 'earlier' than chassis)

    Where I see obvious replacements, the engine serials tend to be from S2s. If you had an early chassis number and an engine serial 200 off the chassis number, I'd probably agree with Andrew. But the idea that a late chassis number car had its engine replaced, but with a correct S1 engine only 200 off the chassis number strikes me as far less likely than it being an outlier to the general numeric spread between the two. Where I see replacements, they tend to be much later engine serials.
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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by jus View Post
    One strange thing that I've noticed, is that if it's ticking over, and I put it into neutral and let the clutch out - it drops 50 to 100rpm, and moves forward very slightly. There's no real force behind it - but I can't figure out why it would do that. The gearbox has straight cut gears - but I don't see why that should make any difference.
    SNAP - it's exactly the same with mine. It's so odd and inexplicable that I've almost doubted myself that it was really happening. Mines an early S1 (sorry but I've no idea what straight cut gears are), but there's a definite (albeit barely noticeable) movement in neutral. To be honest I've not even known how to raise it on this forum as it's almost doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyborg7 View Post
    SNAP - it's exactly the same with mine. It's so odd and inexplicable that I've almost doubted myself that it was really happening. Mines an early S1 (sorry but I've no idea what straight cut gears are), but there's a definite (albeit barely noticeable) movement in neutral. To be honest I've not even known how to raise it on this forum as it's almost doesn't make any sense.
    Straight cut gears just mean that the teeth are straight from front to back of the gears. The standard gears are helical meaning the teeth are more diagonal looking at them (just google helical vs straight gear and look at the images tab). Straight cut gears are louder, but their advantage is that they do not produce axial force like the helical gears do. Since the gears are always in mesh anyway this issue probably doesn't have anything do do with the gears themselves.

    Does yours always move in neutral? Or only when you move out of a gear and into neutral?

    Edit: except for the reverse gears.. those are straight cut in the fulvia transmission.
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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by 1,6 HF View Post

    Does yours always move in neutral? Or only when you move out of a gear and into neutral.
    I think it's the latter, but I'd need to double check. Unfortunately it's about 20miles away with someone who's promised to look at the tappets (my 3rd attempt was better but not perfect). They're a Dino specialist with a crazy work pipeline so as much as I'm itching to chase them so I can start using it (especially after a 3 year resto.) I can't.

    I restored it on the drive so it was only ever reversed our of the garage and then driven back in again. Probably about 100 times in the resto process. Appreciate that's not ideal. But it was after reversing it in gear and then putting into neutral and letting clutch out that I'd notice the almost imperceptible creeping forward. Drive is 100% flat so it definitely wasn't a roll. Reving it seemed to almost give it some more torque but again so imperceptible that if I hadn't got my wife to witness it you'd think you were imagining it.

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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyborg7 View Post
    you'd think you were imagining it.
    ..which I why I hadn't raised it on here as you start to doubt your own sanity when it defies logic. Glad someone was braver than me...

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    Re: AUCTION: Lancia Fulvia 1.6HF Fanalone

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyborg7 View Post
    ..which I why I hadn't raised it on here as you start to doubt your own sanity when it defies logic. Glad someone was braver than me...
    Does it do it after a 30 mile drive when the gearbox oil is warm???

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