what year was my FSZ built ?

[johnny48]

recently at Retro-Classic Sttgrt, where I exhibited my FZZ, I had the plsr to meet many Fulvisti that I'd not met before. I didn't always ask what country they were from; various languages were being spoken / translated to other languages.

1 multi-nnationality Fulvisti agree with each other that # 818650002675 is an earlier car than its initial mid-72 registration indicates, 72 was long before my ownership & there is no one living that I can ask about such info..
Going thru the #'s of each successive model built, I arrive at # 2675 = the #1675th FSZ built - rather early in FSZ history. This group were so concerned about what FSZ they were viewing that they compared all visible chassis #'s stamped into the frame & stamped in the several visible plates riveted to the frame; finding no discrepencies.

Perhaps they were trying to locate a stolen FSZ ? If so, # 2675 was not it.

Could it be that #2675 was built as early as 70 ? Indicating that it perhaps sat at Lancia dealership in CH unsold until 1972; or in a storage facility in Italy prior to crossing the border.

Everything indicates that # 2675 is an S2; perhaps it is a very early S2 ?

Not that this really matters much; it is honestly what it is, as has now been verified by these Gents ,who left no leaf unturned before they gave # 2675 their blessing.

[fay66]

Johhny 48,
Don't know if this helps but,
818650/651 were built from chassis number 1001- 3600 1970-1972, which makes it the 1674th built out of a total of 2599; so I suspect even with more LHD's being built than RHD, a more realistic build date would probably be 1971, according "Weernink's La Lancia", it's definitely a series 2.
From what I understand it's not possible to get a definitive date due to Lancia records being destroyed in flooding years ago.

Brian

[1,6 HF]

Sorry to take issue with Brian's math, but 818.650.002675 is indeed the 1675th of 2600 built (numbers 001001 - 003600, inclusive). Brian's entirely correct, though, in stating that it's a Series 2. And with S2 Sport production beginning in 1970 and continuing into 1972, the 1675th car probably came off the Zagato line sometime in 1971. It's very unlikely that it was built in 1970, as Series 2 production probably didn't begin until around the middle of that year.

[fay66]

Sorry to take issue with Brian's math, but 818.650.002675 is indeed the 1675th of 2600 built (numbers 001001 - 003600, inclusive). Brian's entirely correct, though, in stating that it's a Series 2. And with S2 Sport production beginning in 1970 and continuing into 1972, the 1675th car probably came off the Zagato line sometime in 1971. It's very unlikely that it was built in 1970, as Series 2 production probably didn't begin until around the middle of that year.
Whoops:mad: Maths never was my strong point and taking the wrong final build figure didn't exactly help, can only put it down to the time of the morning and my age:scratch:
Brian

[KEI]

Hi Johnny48,
This is not a correct information that you want to know, but one thing I can tell you. The 2675 is a bit earlier than mine and I know the first registration date of my FSZ. It was June 30 1972 in somewhere in Italy. This date may the date of shipment from Lancia. When I bought my FSZ in Netherlands and imported to Belgium, then I registered it as an Oldtimer in Belgium. Because the tax system is good for such kind of registration, I wanted to do that. The government required the certification that my FSZ is enough old as registration of Oldtimer. This means I needed the certification when my FSZ was produced at Lancia and/or the date of first registration. As you know in Europe, you have a "pink paper" that detail information of the car from the production maker. But like FSZ, it is too old to keep such kind of papers. So mine was also missing the paper. Anyway, I asked to the head division of FIAT Belgio and got a certification. They said they checked the chassis number and cross-checked to production record in Lancia HQ. It was done at the beginning of January in 1995 for me. I do not know you can still do the same thing now, but it is possible I guess.

BTW, please pray for Japan! We are moving forward of one mind, but we need many support. Thanks,

KEI

[fay66]

The "pink paper" is called a Certificate of Conformity and is issued with every new vehicle, if you don't have one or lose one for a modern vehicle it makes life very difficult.
Surprised that Fiat Belgium could confirm the build date with Lancia HQ, i've been trying to get a build date for my 2c for the last 12 years with no success, dealing with Fiat UK and a friend who does this as part of his job.

Thinking and praying for all Japan at this terrible time for you all.

Brian

[Zsport1.3]

Hi Johnny48,
The 2675 is a bit earlier than mine and I know the first registration date of my FSZ. It was June 30 1972 in somewhere in Italy. This date may the date of shipment from Lancia.
KEI

Kei, Johnny,
My FSZ is 2932 (only 257 after Johnny's) and was first registered in Britain on 28th June 1972. It could have been in the showroom for some time - but there is no clue in the paperwork. What number is yours Kei?

Johnny, yours could have been built in late 1971, or it could have been 1972 if more than 925 Sports were built in 1972. If we could find the month that S1 production switched to S2 in 1970, and also the month production ceased in 1972, we could do an estimate of how many Sports were made each month, on average. FI have read though the information that I have but there is no clue there.
Bill

[1,6 HF]

... If we could find the month that S1 production switched to S2 in 1970, and also the month production ceased in 1972, we could do an estimate of how many Sports were made each month, on average. FI have read though the information that I have but there is no clue there.


Registration dates are notoriously unreliable for dating production. Cars sat in showrooms and, before that, in the distribution and shipping pipelines.

And I think we have some more reliable clues as to when S2 production really began. I'd suggest it's likely that S2 production began in the summer of 1970, but it's virtually certain that S2 cars weren't shipped out for sale before September 1970. Like all of industrial Italy at the time, Lancia would have essentially shut down for the entire month of August, and wouldn't likely have begun shipping a new model, only to have that interrupted for a month.

As further evidence that S2 cars weren't shipped until September, the first edition (5000 copies in Italian) of the S2 Coupé/Sport owner's manuals is dated IX-1970, and it's inconceivable that cars would have left to factory for sale without an owner's manual. So it's possible that production of engines and subassemblies could have begun as early as spring 1970, with Zagato receiving Lancia-produced components in enough time for at least a couple of months' worth of production and assembly before the break for ferragosto.

That's just conjecture, of course, and I'll be happy to have someone propose a better timeline. But until then, I'd say that there probably weren't more than 6 months' worth of Fulvia Sport production in 1970. And, to me, that means that 818.650.002675 was probably built in late 1971, or possibly early 1972.

[KEI]

Hi Bill,
Mine is 2755. So it seems the date was the first registration.

KEI