Want to know the information about mystery FSZ

[KEI]

Hello everyone,

I need your help to know the information about mystery fulvia sport zagato (FSZ). One of my friend is interested the FSZ and wants to buy it. But it seems strange for me about following things. The mystery FSZ is here (http://www.enthuno-mori.com/lancia/20101003lanciab/) (http://www.enthuno-mori.com/lancia/20101003lanciab/).

The shop says it is FSZ 1.3 S1 (1968) and the chassis number is 818332001758. They say it was imported from Netherlands two years ago. The chassis number is corresponding to 1.3 S1, but the detail of the FSZ is strange.

The body seems S2. front mask is S2 and tail lenses are S2.
The shift is 5-speed that means S2?
The door knob and front seats are for 1600. Moreover it has power windows like 1600.
The engine seems 1300.

What do you think about this mystery FSZ?
Any information would be very appreciate....

KEI

[willn]

KEI,

As well as the door handles and electric windows, the oil temperature gauge in lieu of a clock point to a 1600 S2 or a 1300S2 with those items transplanted from a 1600 zagato.

The front seats seem like 1600 or 1300 with 1600HF headrests added - others may be able to provide more meaningful comment here. If 1600, they've certainly lost all the fur.

There's a very slim chance its a 1600 motor with standard cam cover (I cant see the size of the solex's), but highly unlikely I'd say. If you can get more details on the gearbox inc. number, it might give more clues. I cant see whether the front and rear fulvia sport external badges say 1.3 or 1.6, but this may not be conclusive in any case.

Though the ad says 1968 S1 1300, everything about it including alternator, heater air intake, front hinge bonnet, dash, instruments, lack of rear tyre hatch, rear window electric motor, ride height etc etc indicate an S2 (I don,t think it's S1.5), so either there is a mistake in the ad re the chassis number or its got the wrong one.

Alloy wheels look to be a 1300S2 coupe option.

The headlining colour looks incorrect (should be black) and is installed incorrectly. The upholstery looks generally as though the upholsterer didn't try too hard to maintain originality.

Others are more qualified to comment on the running of the engine, it sounds to me as though the timing chain is loose.

Will

[willn]

KEI,

PS - from memory, for the oil temperature gauge to work, the engine would need a 1600 oil filter holder to be able to incorporate the oil temperature sender. Not sure if you can find out if the gauge works or if it shows up on the video.

Will

[lancialulu]

At least it seems in nice condition!! and it runs....

Being picky the exhaust tail box doesnt look right, nor the front indicators. The binnical for the electric window switches is also different from original but looks nice!

Engine does seem to have the 1600 piston slap noise so could be lucky and it is really a 1600. If the solexs say 42 not 35 that could confirm.

I have never seen these alloy wheels before.

Tim

[KEI]

Hi Will and Tim,

Thank you for your response. It is really mixed with 1300 and 1600 anyway. My biggest question is the chassis number. 818332001758 is corresponding to 1.3 S1 which has alloy body, if my memory correct. This means they put different chassis number on S2 body during restoration... ???

KEI

[Zsport1.3]

Hi Will and Tim,

Thank you for your response. It is really mixed with 1300 and 1600 anyway. My biggest question is the chassis number. 818332001758 is corresponding to 1.3 S1 which has alloy body, if my memory correct. This means they put different chassis number on S2 body during restoration... ???

KEI

Kei
You are right about the chassis number and the alloy body - 818.332.001203 to 001911 were all alloy bodies, and after that steel with alloy doors and bonnet, according to the book by Weernink.

Also the early S2s (often called S1.5) still have the spare wheel door, (and side hinged bonnet / hood) which was dropped from 818.650.001601 onwards. They had all S2 running gear.

That is an S2 in the pictures and cannot be alloy bodied - can't understand why someone would want to label an S2 1600 body with S1 1300 chassis plate. Otherwise car looks in good condition.

Bill

[1,6 HF]

Kei,

Your friend is right to be wary of that car; it's pretty clearly a bitsa. There are a couple of things to check to confirm what's really there:

1. Check the engnie serial number, the crankcase casting number and the head casting number; that will tell you what you need to know about the engine.
2. Put a magnet on the body and see if it's alloy, as the chassis number suggests, or if it's steel, as seems more likely.
3. Check the cowl stamp to see the real chassis number; anyone can add a chassis plate to a car.

Will's almost exactly right about the wheels; they're FPS alloys, and were optional for the 'Fulvia 3'.

[Zag]

I is definitive not a 1 Serie Zagato. I have a 1.Serie´s and a 2.Serie one.

1,3 sump pan;means not a 1,6 engine /front indicator 2 serie /rear lights 2.Serie ;engine bonnet does not open aside 2. Serie /rear bonnet electric windowlifter s 2. Serie/ rear suspension with brakepower regulation ( to see it on the lever on the axle) 2. Serie; missing spare wheel door as written, rear bottem corner reinforced ( only done at 2.Series ) seen on the pic row 6 ..... should i go forward.


Suppose it is a 1,6 with a 1,3 engine

reagrds Andreas

It is more ore less not possible to convert a 2.Series car in a first series car without
to build a new body.

[Zag]

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[willn]

KEI,

Just a thought, do they state a price? I suppose I’m stating the obvious but assuming, as I and some others suspect, it is a 1600 zagato , it may only (I say only!) require a 1600 engine to bring it close to specification - i.e. more valuable than a 1300. This assumes the gearbox is a 1600 gearbox. The upholstery is also a question mark in my view. Some might point to the non-originality factor with either the 1300 engine or a 1600 replacement, but the 1600 zagatos dont seem to come up for sale that often.

Are you able to view the car to get an idea of condition? As Ed says, there should also be a number on the body shell (should be a number stamped in the bottom of the rain gutter under the bonnet) - assuming it hasnt been obscured under a respray.

As Bill says, if the riveted chassis plate in the engine bay has the 332 number, then it’s the wrong plate for some unknown reason. As you infer, maybe the original was removed and lost during a restoration,

Will

[johnny48]

Hello everyone,

I need your help to know the information about mystery fulvia sport zagato (FSZ). One of my friend is interested the FSZ and wants to buy it. But it seems strange for me about following things. The mystery FSZ is here (http://www.enthuno-mori.com/lancia/20101003lanciab/) (http://www.enthuno-mori.com/lancia/20101003lanciab/).

The shop says it is FSZ 1.3 S1 (1968) and the chassis number is 818332001758. They say it was imported from Netherlands two years ago. The chassis number is corresponding to 1.3 S1, but the detail of the FSZ is strange.

The body seems S2. front mask is S2 and tail lenses are S2.
The shift is 5-speed that means S2?
The door knob and front seats are for 1600. Moreover it has power windows like 1600.
The engine seems 1300.

What do you think about this mystery FSZ?
Any information would be very appreciate....

KEI

FSZ = cool abbrevation !!

I've been thinking about how to reply to this query. Read on at your peril !

it is what it is (maybe) & ain't what it aint (perhaps); or both nor neither.

In many countries I am sure that whomever would assemble a pile pile of various 'accouterments with conflicts' peering out of every corner, would be guilty of fraud .
However, that is not to say that it isn't 'currently' a legal-vehicle, with legal papers where it now is located; far from the inquisitive eyes of the law.

Someones somewheres (surely this crime isn't the result of a single mind) must have decided at sometime to sell (unload) this pile of incorrectness far far away from its last homeö.

I ask the wind "would anyone in Europa be able to register this FLS legally; be able to bring it through the through checks necessary to have it legally registered as a Historical-Vehicle ?
I reply "are you joking"?
In any case & be that as it may be (or not) the seats* are actually correct original 72ish FZS 1.3 S2 with correct headrests; as my real / honest / correctly #'ered S2 1972 FSZ had installed when I bought it; albeit with seats in black. *uncomfortable & (imho) ugly seats !!!
The el-cheapo pimp my SLF woody-steering-wheel ain't 'my thing' in anyFulvia ! In a just-for-fun 76 Chevy Vega, perhaps !

these lite-metal wheels look, says me, totally incorrect.......on a ZLS S2 anyway & - says me - are truly ugly !! .

However, that isn't to say that it isn't a solid; nice running ZSF. that would make an indescriminate owner smile !

All it needs to make it a 'crowning-glory' is a pop-up glass sunroof & a traceable history.

Have I read elsewhere the word "Fulverati" ? No Thank You says Me !!

[Zag]

400039993998

three possibilities to find the body-Nr. on an 818332 ...

Regards Andreas

[KEI]

Thanks gents.

I have asked to my friends in Belgium and Netherlands, but nothing special information had come up.
Anyway, my friend will decide which he would better to buy the FSZ or not. Every information that you gave me was so useful for him. Thanks again.

KEI

[johnny48]

kei, tell us about the lovely Z with lovely colorsa in the foto; it is a stock FSZ S2 1.3 ?

[KEI]

kei, tell us about the lovely Z with lovely colorsa in the foto; it is a stock FSZ S2 1.3 ?

Hi Johonny48,
You mean, the lovely Z is my avator?
Well, my FSZ is not special, just a 1.3 S2, 1972. But I installed Weber DCOE 40, air induction box, one-off stainless exhaust pipe. As you can see, the front face is bit different from original. Because I put on the different front grille which is not for S2 (probably S1.5) and the 160mm carello fog lamp with small chrome bumper which was for Rover Mini's rear bumper (from the junk yard). I also put on HF line (bit wider than usual) using 3M cutting sheet. I will post other photos later.

KEI

[johnny48]

Kei Wrote
Well, my FSZ is not special, just a 1.3 S2, 1972, Weber DCOE 40, air induction box, one-off stainless exhaust pipe, front face different front grille (probably S1.5) 160mm carello fog lamp small chrome bumper, also HF line (bit wider than usual) using 3M cutting sheet. I will post other photos later. KEI

Johnny replies,,,,,,,,,,,,what ? this is definately a very special FSZ; with lovely mods....great front-end treatment; looks correct !!

I look forward to more fotos !

PS: all FSZ are Special !

(I am sure many Fulvisti would say "all Fulvia are special".

[KEI]

Johnny,
I uploaded photos of my FSZ on the member album. Please see here (http://www.lancisti.net/gallery/browseimages.php?c=54&userid=1801)!
I will add more later....

KEI