Fulvia and modern glues

[kebin]

What are the thoughts on modern day glues such as the ones that come in a tube and use with a gun? Can they be used on body work i.e the bottom of the doors on my car are rusty and need new metal and I was thinking of giving it a try

Kevin

[dr_danger]

Haha, I haven't heard of anyone using glue on rust before, but im sure it will be up for the job. Of course it's not a proper fix but if you get rid of the rust and smooth over the holes there is naut wrong with it in the interim.

[kebin]

Thanks for the reply danger man
The plan is to grind away the small rust holes, cut metal to cover the holes and fix in place with this mastic glue on the inside face of the door and then skim with filler and paint as I am not very good with a welder

[1,6 HF]

I can't say I've ever heard of anyone doing that successfully. It's not likely to last in the long run but, as dr. d says, it might work as a provisional solution. But if you do the prep work, you might find someone to do some proper welding for you at a decent price.

[davidb]

BASF Sonolastic NP 1 polyurethane caulk. Really durable,
really sticky. Stuff used to seal concrete sidewalk, drive-
way, patio, swimming pool deck seams. I've used it in the
past w/heavy gauge copper sheet "patches" cut to shape as
a temp fix, unseen areas. Not an elegant solution but lasts,
alot longer than I thought. Obviously welding is preferable.

[spyder]

Hi Kebin

I have been reading about various metal to metal glues for some time.
I am told that there was a program here in the UK on "Discovery channel" where new front wings were glued sucessfully to an MGB.

Not the sort of thing you want to use on your inner & outer sills or anything structural on a Fulvia, but for door bottoms I cannot see any problems.
If you go this route post some pictures

Below is a link to one site

Regards

http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php

[philm]

There are quite a few structural adhesives available now particularly from 3M and Loctite that will succesfully bond panels like a door skin to a frame but you need to be scrupulous in your preparation and following any temperature cure cycles. I would think a stick type glue gun will struggle to be a suitable adhesive, as others have said though some of the mastic type products are also good. You should really think about welding though, it is not as hard as you imagine to produce decent structural welds that whilst not pretty are strong and if they are in an area not too noticeable then it is an ideal way to learn.

[1,6 HF]

Structural adhesives have been used for years in aerospace applications; many spacecraft have bonded connections, due to the difficulties (and additional weight) involved in welding exotic alloys. But, in line with what Phil noted, these are connections made between scrupulously clean metals with mating surfaces designed for adhesive bonding (i.e., designed to put the adhesive surface in shear--not in tension). The original bonding adhesives developed for these applications were cyanoacrylates (what we're come to call "super glue"). And if the surfaces mate perfectly smoothly (so that there is only the thinnest adhesive film) and are properly prepped, they can work just fine.

Trouble is, we live in the real world and we're speaking of gluing patches to curved doors with less than perfectly smooth surfaces, in a garage, not an assembly 'clean room'. On the other hand, the door panel in question isn't a stressed structural application, so you might well get away with adhesive. And some of the newer adhesives are a but more forgiving, and might work if the surfaces are prepped well enough. Just be prepared to follow the manufacturer's directions to the letter.

JB Weld is simply an epoxy with some metal content. As such it gets used for all manner of 'homebrew' patches. But I'd still consider it a temporary solution. Polyurethane sealants are just that--sealants, not adhesives; they're very sticky, but they don't fully harden under ordinary conditions. Anything coming out of a caulking gun is likely to fall under 'sealant' rather than true adhesive, evei if it has "adhesive" on its label. Again, that's a temporary solution, at best. I wouldn't use any of these on stressed structural elements.

[Pete-Bolse]

You could consider Lead Loading, more ridged and easier to reverse when the time comes to weld it.


http://freespace.virgin.net/tommy.sandham/leading.htm

[kebin]

thanks for the info from every body I think I can borrow a mig melder from a friend, BUT never used one before and where I live is quite remote, so to find someone to do it for me is impossible
Next question is how to use one of these things?
I need some tips on what to do
The door bottoms that I have "repaired" will stay as they are, until next time, but the rest I will weld or try to weld

Another Question The engine has not run for nearly 7 years whats the next step?
The interior door handles have lost their finish in the hot sun, so I am going to make new ones out of wood I will post some pics in a week or so and you can tell me what you think, as they will go with the dash, but I know its not original, just a bit of fun on my behalf and can be changed back late

Once again thanks for the info very ineresting to read

Kevin Rosser

[kebin]

Just taken off the door handles and they are both the same.!!!

Are the interior handles left and right handed?
It seems that they must have been replaced with the wrong ones, but not to sure which

Kevin

[Pearlite Lancia]

Glue, am certain it should not do any damage, however you should consider epoxy. Do prepare the surface with anti rust first. I have used stainless steel gauze to cover up holes then apply epoxy on it, works fine.

[fay66]

Just taken off the door handles and they are both the same.!!!

Are the interior handles left and right handed?
It seems that they must have been replaced with the wrong ones, but not to sure which

Kevin
Kevin, looking back I can't see what Fulvia and year it is that you own, can you let us know and photos of the door handles in question.
Just checked the Tavoli and coupe door handles ( I'm assuming you mean the door release lever?) are right and left handed.

Brian

[kebin]

2010

20122011both doors handles were the same, I have made two new ones out of MDF.

Is it a common fault that the drivers door handles distort or break
here are some fotos