buying a lancia delta hf ie turbo

[Doggydowg]

Should be getting it ina weeks time.

At the moment i own a reno 5 turbo running 19psi and some advanced ignition which doesnt hang around.

Having modded my r5 as farr as i can with out speding out loads im bord and want something different;-) so i pickd a cheep delta with a years ticket.

what sort of power is available from this what seems very under tuned 1.6 dohc t25 turbo? im under the impression there 140bhp at what boost is this?

what boost can be had from standard injectors and ecu?

Many thanks Paul.

[EVO92]

I assume its a HFIE??
Fit a bleed valve to it and increase to 17psi (If i recall correctly the safety cuts in at 18 or maybe 19psi and cuts the ignition = major backfire...). I wouldn't do this to my Grale as the car is worth a lot lot more. Don't do anything more to its as it will cost you an arm and a leg.... I drove my old one for 20k with no problems (Before my brother crashed it :cry:

Check for serious rust (Most are fu**ed by now) and the suspension bushes wear easy and make the handling sloppy.

Drive it for a year then get the real thing (GRALE = 4wd fire breathing monster :twisted: the secret of driving fast is in the corners :wink:

[Doggydowg]

Hello evo 92 thanks for the info.

How rude of me i forgot to say hi to everyone to as this is my first post;-)

so you can run 17 psi with not having to uprate fuel pump, injectors or ecu?

i will fit an act gaueg straight away to see what air charge is like if its hi il see about getting some form of fmi or charge cooler sorted and maybe water injection.

what sort of power am i looking at getting at 17psi?

the suspension is new has been lowerd with uprated shocks alround;-)

thanks for any more info.

Ps how comes the time is 12pm on this thread is this board in another country?

[DJ]

Ps how comes the time is 12pm on this thread is this board in another country?

Welcome, Dowg!

The board runs on US Mountain time (Colorado), which is where I live. Eventually I may be able to find a mod for it that shows actual user's time.

Cheers,

[Doggydowg]

Hello DJ

No worries on the time;-)

its driving me crazy ive been searching the web for the past two days and have evan tried emailing ppl who have these cars for more modding info.

i dont supose you have any knowledge or know of anyone who does on these cars?

info is scarce on the web so far the only ifo i have is in this thread;-(

Many thanks Paul.

[chrisc]

A delta is a very different thing from a renault 5. there was another very similar thread to this recently. The delta isnt a drive it and forget it hot hatch. Dont buy one unless you intend to keep it for a while, and dont buy one to run it into the ground, its just not nice :)

[EVO92]

Yes 17psi is fine, I based the adjustment on the dash guage, i know these are rarely accurate but mine must have been as the safety would cut in at just the point it states in the manual....

As chris mentions if it is really mint keep it standard as they are rare now, if not and its clearly on its way to the grave have fun while its going... :lol:

Not sure about the BHP round 160-170 i guess, it won't feel like its taking off like the R5 its the torque you really notice especially up hill!!

[Doggydowg]

thanks for replys im only paying £450 for this car so as you can imagine it is not a minter and is from a garage.

apparently they run 0.9 of a bar as standard is this true? why is the bhp so little surely a 1.6 dohc with a t25 running near ona bar of boost should be closer to 170-180 bhp.

[Paul C (Monte 3686)]

- remember that cars of this vintage were not sooooo powerful back then. A contemporary saab 2.0l 16v running 0.9bar would churn out 165 - 180 depending on exhaust etc so I wouldn't expect the Italian 1.6l to beat that in standard trim?
The same size engine today though would be expected to be in the 200 ish bracket.....

My tupence worth,
Paul

[Doggydowg]

its ona g reg g isnt all that old my reno turbo came 15 bhp less with only 8 valves a smaller t2 turbo and only 1400cc,s.

so were all agreed then bigger intercooler and 17psi no problems with fueling leaning out or h/g,s going;-)

should get it with the next week so il let you no how it goes chears guys.

[A1.6HPE]

Hello Doggydowg,
The guys who have modded their Delta Turbos now drive integrales. To get any serious improvement you need to re-map/chip the ecu plus bigger diameter exhaust. Then you end up with a car that is as quick as an integrale in a straight line but is really a wild machine that becomes a pain in the neck due to wheel spin, so you move up to the 2 litre/4 wheel drive versions which are much more civilized machines that handle better and stop better.
The limit on a 2wd Delta is the gearbox/transmission which can only just handle the bhp and torque. The 4wd cars have a much more robust gearbox (sim to Thema), plus LSD and visco drive.
Simply overboosting the pressure will mean that you hit the rev-limiter all the time.

Quit while you are ahead - definitely first check that the rear arches/turrets are still attached to the inner wings. (Remove the side bolsters from the rear seating).

Sorry to put a damper on your project but I'm on my 5th Delta now (8V integrale).

Leo

[EVO92]

Its not really down to what you can do more the cash involved.....

Just upping the boost a little on a 1.6turbo makea a reasonably quick and reliable machine, you can easily make it a lot faster by putting a 2.0Turbo engine in with the Thema box with visco/lsd, it will be damn quick but still sh*t in the corners (Not compared to a R5 but certainly so against a grale).

I say have fun for a year then we all know he'll want to upgrade to the holy grale....

Regards,
Martin
P.S 8th delta (4th grale)... :P

[rossocorsa]

thanks for replys im only paying £450 for this car so as you can imagine it is not a minter and is from a garage.

apparently they run 0.9 of a bar as standard is this true? why is the bhp so little surely a 1.6 dohc with a t25 running near ona bar of boost should be closer to 170-180 bhp.


one comment i'd make is that this is real horsepower! the mid range performance of a hfie is impressive even by todays standards and you don't have to rev the ******** off it to achieve it. Yes many of todays cars produce more outright power but a lot of the extra is at the top end encouraged by 4 valves per cylinder, variable valve timing and the like

[omicron]

I have very fond memories of my old HF turbo IE.

Find a good one and you'll be more than happy.

Buy a bad one and you will find your bank manager is your new best friend.

[Doggydowg]

hmm chears for all the info im not into spending lots of money on engine conversions etc thats why i like to find out what cheep reliable mods can be had before i get cars;-)

sounds like il need a chip which should set me back £50-100 then fit a fmi wind up to 1.2bar its already got the exhaust and filter and that should do.

as for moving on to an intgralle afterwards id love to but i wont have 7k to spend on one i will have 3-4k for a pulsar gtir which il turn into a 300bhp beast thoe;-)

next question where do i get the chips ebay;-)

[EVO92]

Try evocars.com for the chip.

Nissan pulsar = skinny rims, no brakes, style or handling! but then i would say that being a Evo owner :twisted:

[omicron]

The Japanese rally replicas, fine cars they are too, just don't have the charisma that the Delta has. Most of those who've had Deltas and then moved on to the Japanese Evolution WRX specials say that whilst the newer cars are faster because of the extra development due to the rivalry between Subaru and Mitsubishi, and benefit from Japanese reliability, but they just don't have the same magic.

Depends what you want from a car I suppose... Power delivered in a sanitised way, or power delivered with passion.

[Doggydowg]

i just want raw power 4x4 and some money left in my pocket how much does an intgralle cost to get to 300bhp?

pulsars are very chhep to tune and only cost 3k but the cheepest 16 valve integralle starts at about 5k.

i always look for bhp per £ then look at weight /handling then looks last as i dont care what it looks like i do think integralles look the dogs dangleys thoe;-)

[omicron]

You don't care about the emotional side to owning a special car? The Delta will fulfill that side, the Pulsar won't. Down your favourite piece of road, the Integrale will enjoy being driven, and it will make you feel like turning around and doing it again, just because you can. The Pulsar won't...

[Doggydowg]

being totaly in the dark about intergralles and probably not evan being able to spell them lol, how much does a 16valve one cost then i take it they are mich better then the 8 valve integralles?

a point i should make is that i earn small amount of money and am only 20 and yes i am insured on my car;-)

before you say i cant get insured i am insured to drive any car 3rd party.

i dont think i would have the £££ for an integralle if someone wants to give me one il gladly drive down the road and turn around and drive back down it;-)

[chrisc]

Its integrale, and be very wary of that spelling if you ever visit evocorner forum :)

16v integrale is out of your budget, and simply yes, they are that much better, although that certainly isnt calling the 8v bad.

The cheapest car id want to own that fits your requirements is an alfa 33 16v permanent 4. Thats 4wd, 140bhp and handles nicely and can be had for between 750 and 1500 quid, although nice examples have on rare occasion been known to go for far less (500). Plus the best engine note ever.

I wouldnt expect a modified hf turbo to be reliable btw.. not saying its impossible, but id be nursing a modified 450 quid example, not trying to get more power out of it