Interior Flavia Sport zagato

[Fulvia-hf]

On a classic car exhibition in Holland I saw this beautifull Flavia Sport for sale.
The interior was fitted with Fulvia HF seats. According to the seller they were original factory installations. Now I know that the seats for the Fulvia HF were made by the Zagato upholstry department so it kind of makes sense. Although I never saw a zagato fitted with those seats neither Fulvias or Flavias. (Even the Fulvia Competizione came with the original Zagato touring seats. )
The passenger seatback on this flavia was however different at the mounting points compaired to the HF seats as fitted to the Fulvia HF. the ball and cup at the back were not there. Instead a flat angled plate was fitted. The front used a slotted hole and a big three legged black plastic wing nut. With this nut you could secure the front attachments at any position in the slot thus providing a crude form of backrest rake adjustment. I have never seen this arrangement and was wondering if anyone recognises it.
Kind regards,
William

[1,6 HF]

I've never seen another like it. But when Zagato was building limited-production cars like the Appia GTE or the Flavia Sport, they would accommodated special requests. They'd make just about any custom modification the purchaser wanted (and was willing to pay for). So it's entirely possible that the adjuster was done at the "factory", even though it wasn't standard.

[Fulvia-hf]

The asking price was 45000 euro. Steep but the condition is more than excelent. Never been welded and complete save for missing bumpers and strange VW wheels.
William
PS the rear bench seat was also not according Flavia Sport but looked very similar to the Fulvia HF (and Fulvia Zagato) bench.
I'm willing to part exchange my HF for it. Same color anyway.

[1,6 HF]

45,000 euros seems incredibly expensive. For that kind of money (or even 3/4 that much) I'd expect an absolutely perfect car with no questions. That price ought to buy you a car with nothing missing--correct bumpers, correct wheels, and documentation on any non-standard details.

[Fulvia-hf]

They also had a fanalone for sale in the lusso version with bumpers and the wooden steering wheel in light grey for 75.000 euro. Never restored, top condition but hey! This is GTA territory and during a global financial crisis as well. It will be for sale for a while. Both of them...
William.

Still thinking about offering them my HF.

[1,6 HF]

Given the current market, 75k euros is a little high even for a perfect original Fanalone, but top cars have been at that asking price for the past couple of years. I doubt that anyone's been getting quite that much, but that seems to be the current target for the best examples. (Of course, those prices seem high to us, as the dollar/euro exchange rate isn't very favorable to us at present.) And there's still a sharp drop-off for "driver-quality" Fanalones.

I'd drive that Flavia Sport before you start offering your Fulvia HF as a part-ex. I've never driven a Sport, but I've driven the Flavia PF Coupé, which is essentially similar and, while it's very nice, I wouldn't trade my HF for one.

[rossocorsa]

I have been a passenger in but not driven a sport if I was an eccentric millionaire with a huge car collection I'd buy one but for the average lancista I think the PF coupe is 100% better a 2000HF is better still, a fulvia is much less eccentric but a lot more sporty. Find it hard to believe it has never been welded they weren't built with any idea of longevity body wise and you've got aluminium folded against mild steel electrolytic corrosion heaven. I don't think they did that style of seat in a fulvia until after the flavia sport production had ended(??) I could be wrong but I suspect it isn't original

[1,6 HF]

In fact there was an overlap between the Flavia Sport and the 1.2HF, which had similar (but non-adjustable) lightweight seats. So it's theoretically possible that the seats in this Flavia Sport served as prototypes for the Fulvia HF seats. But I'd want some serious documentation before I'd call it certain.

And I'd certainly agree that a perfect, "never welded" Zagato body sounds improbable.

[rossocorsa]

other details grate a bit the seat belts are certainly not original in style (look to be mid 80s) and the fittings for the seat are rather out of keeping, look at the brackets on the base of the seat I'm fairly sure that Lancia wouldn't have sanctioned such a crude feature. If I'm not mistaken the wheels look to be from a 1972 limited edition 'marathon beetle' not really sure why they are of any advantage?
http://www.sebeetles.com/images/marathon_uk.jpg

I should add that I don't particularly dislike the car, although they don't look their best in red

[fay66]

The asking price was 45000 euro. Steep but the condition is more than excelent. Never been welded and complete save for missing bumpers and strange VW wheels.
William
PS the rear bench seat was also not according Flavia Sport but looked very similar to the Fulvia HF (and Fulvia Zagato) bench.
I'm willing to part exchange my HF for it. Same color anyway.

Please don't William, Your HF is in my opinion far nicer, although I do love Flavia Sport styling; as for the horrendous asking price! I would have thought £25K would be plenty, Can't say that I like the colour on that particular car much too brash.
There's a very nice one for sale at Malcolm Elder's in the UK for about £15k, and he has been trying to sell that for some considerable time without any luck.

Brian

[Fulvia-hf]

I have to disagree with the lancisti disliking the color as it is painted in amaranto montebello. Probabaly the nicest red ever used on a car. lancia used it first on the B20 dacorsa and the subsequent D24. All first series 1200 and 1300cc Fulvia HFs were in that color too. Parked outside on a sunny day there is nothing like it (see picture of my hf).
Regarding the Flavia I now believe the seats to be later upgrades. I've been shown pictures of the same car a few years ago in 100% stradale trim. The seats in the car were the stock zagato touringseats. I have to admit the conversion was done very nicely and since those HF seats were made by zagato in the first place is way more acurately period than all other aftermarked period bucketseats installations you find in many Fulvias and alfa romeo Gr4 replicas.
I do like the shape of the Flavia sport and like the dual carburator set-up with the separate airfilterhousings.
One of my all time favourite cars is the One-off Flavia competizione made for the Targa Florio. Absolutely stunning in its strangeness. Would love a replica of that!
William
The example which started this thread with this HF interior and the amaranto paint looked to me a bit like a racing version I saw at the Padova classic car exhibition a few years ago. Flared rear arches and bimetal Borrani rims. Also very wonderfull.

[davidb]

Digi-cams are subject to color shift, then there's the color
changes via web transmission. I like the red, shaded Fulvia.
Cherry red approaching black cherry red. The shade? Try &
find someone stateside that can mix Rosso Corsa properly.
My last paint job turned out a teeny-tiny too orangish to my
eye. Maybe it's spot on, dunno. My eyes aren't what they once
were [younger].

[rossocorsa]

as regards colour i would agree that it is a strong and very attractive red my point was that having seen many zagato flavias over the years red doesn't suit that particular car as much as other colours, it is unlikely to be original as zagato built cars generally came in zagato colours rather than Lancia ones much the same as pininfarina cars didn't share the paint pallette with the flavia berlinas

[Fulvia-hf]

I have never seen the Flavia color chart but can assume that the works cars had the squadra corse Amaranto Montebello as their D24 ancestors had. The Fulvia HF series were homologation specials and came from the factory wearing that color but the Flavia Sport might not.

[1,6 HF]

rossocorsa's right--the Zagato-built cars, pre-Fulvia, weren't generally painted in Lancia factory colors. To expand on his comments, if you look at the factory paint charts from the period, you'll note that one set of paint colors covers the Fulvia berlina, Fulvia Coupé, and Flavia berlina, and that a second set of colors covers the Fulvia Sport. But you'll note that the Flavia Coupé and Flavia Sport do not appear on the factory charts, as the Coupé was painted in Pininfarina's own colors and the Sport was painted in Zagato's own colors.

Rosso amaranto is a beautiful color, and is completely correct on a Fulvia HF. But I don't believe it's correct on a Flavia Sport. The one original Flavia Sport I've seen was in a metallic silver, which suited the lines of the car very well.

[Fulvia-hf]

I think you might be right as the colors used by zagato were not all lancia colors. Blue lancia is obvious but the rest is 50% zagatos own.
For my series 1 zagato 1300 which is about paintready I haven't desided yet but I feel strongly for Grigio Doncaster which IS an official lancia color fortunately. Combined with a blue, brown or red leather interior (with series one HF front seats) I think it will be stunning. I plan to fit riveted alloy competizione wheelarch flares and have a set of black 6.5Jx14 steel borranis or silver 5.5Jx13 Campagnolos ready to be fitted.

Kind regards,
William

I'm not bothering anymore with a swap of my 1200HF for this Flavia Sport. The HF is almost to the point it is perfect for me and that took as long as the restauration itself. With the Flavia Sport I would have to start all over again... And the Superjolly is basically a Flavia too so I allready have one;-)

I checked the manufacturing date of the Flavia Sport and it originated from 23 sept 1963. Way to early to have Fulvia HF seats from new.