Which head is this?

[VX131R]

Hi, just wondering if anyone can tell me which Lancia or Fiat 2ltr 8v head had the distributor on the intake cam towards the rear of the engine, like the VX engine but the distributor is mounted on the side of the head. :?:
This is what is on my Volumex Fiat 131r. Has Argenta sump, so suspect other mods may have been done also. Engine was installed by previous owner and purchased from a well known Fiat Specialist in NZ. He (the Fiat specialist) claims nothing was done to engine and taken straight out of a Beta Volumex HPE. :x Not very forthcoming on info. :x :x :x The owner that did the conversion thought USA spec Cams were installed? what that might mean I have no idea, who knows what head it might be then? (no sodium valves maybe?) :( , no Lancia inscription on the top or any sign of it being ground off.
Allways went like a train, :lol: heaps of torque, :lol: 1st gear was entirely useless, as had a stronger 132 rear end. (4:11 ratio)
Just want to know what I'm working with for my EFI conversion.

[DJ]

I believe you are actually talking about the distributor being mounted on the cam tower, not actually on the head iteself, no?

If so, the only setup that I am aware of that had an intake side distributor mount is the Montecarlo and US spec Scorpion.

See pic of my Scorpion engine at the following link. It'll look a lot different soon with the new FI system.

http://www.lancisti.net/forum/modules.php?set_albumName=albun40&id=2003_Denver_Automezzi_160_Large&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

[VX131R]

Yep your right, Cam tower not head itself, wasn't thinking. I guess the cam tower covers were kept as stock fiat items-less the Lancia inscription. Thanks for your clarification on that.
Am converting mine to EFI also. Where are you putting the injectors? throttle bodies or inserted into the existing manifold or??

[DJ]

I am using the FI setup from a Beta with a large bore Weber throttle body. The injectors are mounted at the intake ports in the plenum.

I'll try to post some pics this weekend if I can make the time. Been needing to do that anyway.

[DJ]

I am using the FI setup from a Beta with a large bore Weber throttle body. The injectors are mounted at the intake ports in the plenum.

I'll try to post some pics this weekend if I can make the time. Been needing to do that anyway.

[Will]

...I couldn't tell whether he meant mounted sticking out of the top of the intake cam box (like on the Scorpion/Monte) or mounted on the END of the intake cam. There is a configuration like this that the fellow from Oz had, but I can't remember what application it was from, I am trying to say Tipo? But probably not it. It uses a distributor similar to an X-1/9, not the SM808 that we're used to. Allen Lofland might be able to tell you as he's done a lot of discussion on distributor fitments and has that type on now.
-Will

[Will]

Maybe it was a Reatta?

[VX131R]

Definately the same as Scorpion. On side of Cam Box not end as in Beta VX. Had to be changed as no room in Engine Bay, unless you cut a hole in the firewall. Assuming the Cams are from the same (scorpion) do you have any specs on them :?:

[Will]

Sure do- go into the photo albums section, Will Holding's album (last page) and go to the Cams sub-album. The plots there will give you Scorpion, and comparisons to Montecarlo, Beta ie, performance aftermaket cams, etc.
-Will

[Will]

BTW, Scorpion cams can be easily identified by number, the reverse cut dizzy drive gear, or the take-off for the smog pump on the end of the inlet cam. They share a common grind with Beta ie except the intake timing is retarded about 6 degrees. I think this is due to the intake manifold setup, but I'm not really sure.
-Will

[ismith007]

andrew, i think your distrib is from regatta from what either morgan or mal told me, cnat remember. he must have a changed a few things as you have no oil cooler, teh tensioner set up is difft. would be interesting to see in your cam boxes, the vx monted 20 deg to exh side so the oil channles in side of cam box are higher on exh side than inlet. when you make the engine verticl the cam boxes should be swapped for a verticle designed set or modified. i have modified mine. if you have the original exh side then i would assume you have sod valves. i can send u pics if u dont know what i mean ian

[VX131R]

Hi Ian, Picks would be great thanks, I understand what you mean, But would like to compare mine against another (known engine) to determine exactly what I have, especially when head etc comes off.

[Fingers]

I used to have a 1972 Fiat 124 sport that had the distributer config you're talking about, it was the 1608 cc with twin weber down draft carbs, that was ten years ago and they were like hens teeth then, so you may be lucky to find anything now.

[VX131R]

Hi Fingers, Graeme from wellington gave me the info, my cam box is off a 132 model, vertical engine, that had air con r.hand drive. pics of my engine in my album, pics supplied by I.smith. thanks Ian.

album under 'supercharged fiat 131'

Andrew

[Fingers]

Excellent, glad it's sorted. And your new toy is far kin awesome, I've always liked the 131R's, bet it goes well. Really looks good, and yeah I bet it's much better to work with all that room around the engine.