wheels?

[dburdick]

Hi, I just bought a '76 scorp and would like to know who makes aftermarket wheels for them.

[davidb]

If you enter Scorpion wheels in search you will come up with
countless hits.

[JULIAN_BLK348]

Or you can look at this thread below for some ideas...
http://lancisti.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2516

Post pics of your new toy and let us know a little about it.

[dburdick]

thanks for the advice. I'd love to show some pics, trouble is, I haven't seen the car myself yet! I found it forsale in the FLU classifieds. It's a white '76, located in upstate N.Y.. I live in Cameron, S.C.. I'll be picking up the car sometime around march. It really didn't occur to me to look up lancia wheels online since I assumed Lancias would have the same 98mm bolt pattern as my Fiat spiders, which are hard to find wheels for. Doug Burdick.

[DJ]

I think Dave was really suggesting that you do a search here in the forums. There have been many discussion regarding wheels. Here's (http://lancisti.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2516) one thread you may find useful regarding Panasport and Superlite wheels. IAP is one regular source of Panasports but there are many others.

FIAT 4X98-pattern wheels definitely will fit the Scorpion and many also use Maserati Biturbo wheels. Beta wheels will fit but require a spacer to get proper offset. Whatever you decide to buy, just pay attention to the offset. Too much (or too little) offset will adversely affect steering and handling. The Scorpion and S1 Montecarlo used a 25 MM offset and S2 Montecarlos used 18 MM so that's the ballpark you should try to stay within.

I have a set of Intra SP10-F wheels that I bought from Bruce's Parts Bin (http://fiatparts.com/closeup.htm) (style 6). They are also available at Spider Point (spider-point.com) in Germany.

http://lancisti.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=22&pictureid=121

http://lancisti.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=22&pictureid=122


Please tell us more about your Scorpion as you learn it. Please also check the Scorpion Registry (http://www.lancisti.net/index.php?pid=11), let me know if it's listed, and provide information updates as appropriate.

[JGreenslade]

Being able to use 5-stud hubs would really open up options for other Lancia wheels, as well as using uprated brakes other than new / expensive units dedicated to the Monte.

If you know a decent machinist, what would there be to stop you from machining new hubs and transplanting the wheels / discs? Has anyone done it?

Justin

[Will]

Being able to use 5-stud hubs would really open up options for other Lancia wheels, as well as using uprated brakes other than new / expensive units dedicated to the Monte.

If you know a decent machinist, what would there be to stop you from machining new hubs and transplanting the wheels / discs? Has anyone done it?

Justin

Nothing woud stop you, you just need to also replace the brake discs and presuambly caliper brackets as you noted, the stock hub will not allow you to increase the PCD and the stock rotor will not clear an upsized hub. You could use a 10mm aftermarket rotor cut to 228mm on top of custom hats and keep the stock brakes.

This sort of stuff can get either expensive or time consuming depending on whether you are paying for it or DIY which is why a lot of folks haven't done it. It's also not really commercially viable because of all the liability issues, which is why there aren't a lot of offerings. Well, that and the relative obscurity/low production numbers of course.

[davidb]

Yes I meant search here. Likely more Scorp wheel data here
than anywhere else on the web. And yes Will's right: wheels
can get V. expensive V. fast. And that's before the WHOA
brakes. I elected to NOT get into that expense on mine.

[JGreenslade]

Cheers Will - illuminating as usual.

Why is it that I seem to recall others having fitted 5-stud hubs to their Montes? Am I confusing this with the 037? I wonder if I saw 5-stud hubs on an 037 replica...

Justin

BTW - what does WHOA stand for? Thanks.

[John O]

[quote=JBTW - what does WHOA stand for?[/quote]

I don't think it's an acronym for anything. It's more like what you say to your horse when pulling hard on the reigns to slow him down, "Whoa, big fella! Whoa!" ...Western style, not English ;-)

John O.

[JGreenslade]

I have a set of Intra SP10-F wheels that I bought from Bruce's Parts Bin (http://fiatparts.com/closeup.htm) (style 6). They are also available at Spider Point (spider-point.com) in Germany.



I've been admiring these wheels for a while, DJ. Are you able to use them without spacers? I notice the US firm offers them @ ET25 - is there just one version? (I'd be buying from Germany).

From searching tyre retailers, it does seem that 15 x 7 is an odd size for performance tyres, but I can find Toyo T1-R @ 205/45 and 195/45.

Many thanks in advance.

Justin

[DJ]

I use them with the stock spacers, that's all.

I believe that Bruce's site is in error because they show them as 25 mm offset but they were actually 21 mm when delivered. This worked in my favor having just reinstalled the stock strut housings because the lower offset gives me just enough clearance with the 55 series tires. It also puts you right between the stock S1 and S2 wheel specs.

With 45s you wouldn't have any issues as far as I can see but you may introduce some error into your speedo. My speedo is now very accurate at low and mid-range speeds with the 205/55-R15 Dunlop SP Sport 9000s. I haven't had the opportunity to encounter a visual roadside radar at higher speeds yet.

Have you looked for 55 series tires in your search? FWIW, my Dunlops are Z-rated and are classified as "Max Performance Summer".

[JGreenslade]

Stock spacers? My S2 Monte doesn't have spacers. Did Scorps have them?

The reason for 45 profile was to keep the car as low as standard. You're right, i.e. going to 50 or 55 really opens up the choice of tyres. I've had Bridgestone on every car I've had for 15+ yrs now, and I'm pretty loyal to the brand. The Toyos (aside from being very affordable) are reputed to have good wet weather performance and average dry. Being a Monte owner, dry performance is more important as I do my absolute best to avoid rain!

Thanks, DJ

Justin

btw - with my height and driving position, I can't see the speedo until it reads 100! The wheel obscures it.

[DJ]

Stock spacers? My S2 Monte doesn't have spacers. Did Scorps have them?

I'm talking about the 5 mm thick discs that are used on top of the brake disc. Maybe you call it something different? I thought all Montes had them. They are the same as used on FIAT 124s, X1/9s, etc.

As dry as it is in the UK, you probably won't need to worry about wet tire performance...:rolleyes:

So if you avoid driving in the rain, how many minutes of actual driving are you able to squeeze in per year?

Honestly, the primary reason I went with the Dunlops is that a friend gave me the set of brand new 205s for the rear. They seem to be excellent tires in both wet and dry, though.

[JGreenslade]

I got a quote from Spider Point. I print it below for anyone who might be interested.

Thanks for the advice, DJ.

Justin


Fiat 124 spider alloy wheels

12046 7x15 offset 21 bolt pattern 4x98 priced at 199,- E per wheel incl. tax

Shipping GB around 80 Euros

Best regards

Spider-Point