Scorpion Trim Paint [Archive] - Lancisti Community

1st May 2002, 09:18 PM

Randy Brown

2nd May 2002, 05:24 PM

I'll also add that the SEM 39263 Dark tatanium Metallic is what I also used on the exterior rear quarter window surround. This was after messing with mixing various shades of gray until I couldn't think straight anymore from the fumes.

I tried to match the gray of Chad's door trim surround pieces, and finally decided after a test shot on an old surround that the SEM was a darn close match. The problem with matching the plastic surrounds from Chad is that they have a sheen that changes depending on the viewing angle. A semi-gloss finish may at first look like a good match, but then will look totally different from a different angle. The extremely fine metallic particles of the SEM do a good job of matching the sheen from most angles. I will grant that the colors are not a totally exact match, but it is really hard to see the difference.

Also, don't forget to use an adhesion promotor first.

- Randy

2nd May 2002, 05:51 PM

Where did you find that 1987 Ford Smoke paint Randy?

Randy Brown

2nd May 2002, 06:16 PM

DJ,

It's a DuPont Lucite acrylic lacquer. Must add flex addative for bumper use.

The DuPont number is C8718L H and it's for a 1987 Ford (Smoke Semi-Gloss). The label also has "CODE: DCP/MJ4194H", and I don't know if that's really the mixing code or what.

I matched this color to a piece of original Monte bumper that Chad sent me for just the purpose of matching colors. I took another look at a test area I put on the bumper piece, and now it looks just a tad too light. It probably wouldn't even be noticable if it wasn't directly on the bumper piece.

The Ford Smoke S. G has that strange, almost greenish-gray/black cast of the original Monte bumper piece. I still distinctly remember thinking upon first seeing one of these cars many years ago that the gray trim seemed to be a really odd sort of gray. Guess that's why.

-rb

Gary Severson

5th May 2002, 04:57 AM

I just went to the auto paint store and had them paint match the color on the original piece and then mix up a quart of polyurethane.

Randy Brown

5th May 2002, 01:33 PM

Gary,

Can you give some details? What brand of paint did you get, and what's the mixing code or the tint percentages?

- rb

Gary Severson

6th May 2002, 09:03 AM

It was Dupont single stage Urethane, but sorry I don't have any tinting information. I did have to mix in a flattener during mix up.

Tony K

16th April 2005, 06:13 PM

Thank you for a very useful thread!

I have a question: Are the vents on the side (between qtr windows and sail panels) supposed to be the same color as the noseband and valances?

I refinished my noseband pieces with the Ford smoke color as specified, and it is indeed pretty close to the front valance color. However, both of these appear vastly different from the color of the side/sail panel vents.

See gallery photo for reference:

http://lancisti.org/albums/Tony-Krncevic/DSCF0023.sized.jpg (small)
http://lancisti.org/albums/Tony-Krncevic/DSCF0023.jpg (huge)

Thanks,

Tony

Timo04

13th July 2008, 04:32 PM

Here's some info I've gleaned from previous messages regarding good matches for trim paint on the Scorpion. I hope to eventually put this into some sort of database or other more useful format.

Please add to this info if you have other alternatives.

Thanks to Will Holding and Randy Brown

Interior Trim

Plasti-cote 1543 Charcoal Gray M
SEM 39263 Dark Titanium Metallic (smaller metallic particles and Randy thinks it looks more original)

Noseband Trim

1987 Ford Smoke Semi-gloss (DCP/MJ4194H)

I'm looking to match to close to original as possible. Can any of these colors listed here be used for the door window frame and the rear upper panel "louver" trim? These are the plastic insert panels where the roof line joins the "flying" buttress.

Timo04

3rd July 2010, 10:26 PM

Interior Trim

Plasti-cote 1543 Charcoal Gray M
SEM 39263 Dark Titanium Metallic (smaller metallic particles and Randy thinks it looks more original)

Noseband Trim

1987 Ford Smoke Semi-gloss (DCP/MJ4194H)

I still have the same question as I did back in '08. Are any of these colors listed above good for at least a close match to the original color of the louver and roof corner trim (the plastic piece near up the latches)? How about the interior rear 1/4 window trim, these seem to be a brown from the factory?

It seems that some of the Scorpion trim pieces, like the interior rear 1/4 window trim pieces for example, are almost a saddle brown in appearance and have very little if any "gray titanium" hue in them. Is this from fading for over the years or am I color blind and imagining things?

Here is an e-Bay auction showing one of the pieces I am asking about:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lancia-Scorpion-PLASTIC-EXTERIOR-TRIM-Roofline-6176-/380153651028?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5882ec5f54

Appears to be a brown hue.

Happy 4th!

Randy Brown

30th July 2010, 02:24 PM

How embarrassing. I had to find a post I wrote nine years ago to just now figure out what paint I used. :red face:

Tony K

30th July 2010, 11:53 PM

How embarrassing. I had to find a post I wrote nine years ago to just now figure out what paint I used. :red face:

Me too! :) (...also needing this thread again for reference...)

30th July 2010, 11:57 PM

How embarrassing. I had to find a post I wrote nine years ago to just now figure out what paint I used. :red face:

Funny. To quote a great old John Wayne movie, "we thought you was dead". :-) Great to see you around these parts again, Randy. That Scorpion must be in fine shape by now, no? ;-)

Tony K

30th July 2010, 11:59 PM

Randy Brown

31st July 2010, 08:10 AM

I used Du Pont Lucite acrylic lacquer from a local Du Pont auto paint shop. From the label:

C8718L H
Car: Ford Motor Company
Code: DCP/MJ4194H YR:1987
Color: Smoke S. G.

Nine years for a reply. Is that a record?

Tony K

31st July 2010, 07:24 PM

Just dug up my old can from May 2004. Difficult to read -- some smudges and paint dribbles on the label:

DuPont Vinyl Color
C8718.I (<---? either I or 1) CC
?217 (V217, possibly) Lead Free
Car: Ford USA
Year: 1987
Code: 4104 (looks to be, but not positive - could be 4194 like Randy's)
Color: Dark Smoke

DuPont offered one of three vinyl resins for low, medium, or high gloss. I'm pretty certain I used the low gloss.

This paint was really 'just right' on the car; the luster was natural, and it looked like plastic, not paint.

Regarding the plastic window frame trim, I just unwrapped my NOS piece and took a close look at it. There is nothing unusual about the gloss on it -- typical plastic as you would expect on the car, not glossy not dull. It does indeed have very fine metallic flakes in it; offhand, I think it is too light to use the SEM Dark Titanium. It's like a dark silver -- darker than a normal silver, closer to the titanium, but not that dark. I'll take it to my local paint supply place and try and find something that is a really close match . . .

Timo04

31st July 2010, 10:52 PM

Tim, it looks like I asked the exact same question as you (the vents/louvers). As far as the window frame trim goes, I don't think it's the same; somewhere, stashed away, I have an NOS piece of the trim, and IIRC it 1) has a bit of gloss to it like plastic typically does, and 2) has a faint metallic sparkle in it. Not positive -- I will dig the part up and post back in this thread.

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the reply and follow up. The vents/louvers on my car have an 'earth tone' brown to them so I suppose weathering and age has taken it's toll on these pieces. Last Autumn when I had the rear 1/4 windows removed from the car for re-sealing the glass, I took the opportunity to refinish the exterior window trim pieces using the SEM Dark Titanium metallic. IMHO they came out SUPER close to the original window trim color on the upper door frames. I am very pleased with the results, especially for a 'rattle can job'. For me these pieces now look much better than the semi gloss black that the PO had them re-painted in.

I recently purchased some Monte-Scorp parts from a source in Italy and here in the US as well. Among these old parts were the rear 1/4 window interior trim pieces each from a different parts source. One trim piece was a brown/earth tone, like the louvers on my car, and one was more of a 'silver gray' tone. Both pieces appeared to have never been re-finished. In fact one of these pieces still has a 1976 date stamp on the reverse side. At any rate I repainted both pieces in the same SEM Dark Titanium metallic color. Again I was VERY pleased with the results as they came out the same color as the interior door pulls on my Scorpion. I believe the door pulls on my Scorpion have never been re-finished, the driver side pull has old wear marks on it. These observations lead me to believe the brown/earth tone on some Scorpion plastic trim pieces is due to weathering/age.

Here is side story that may be of some interest to you for reproducing that 'bit of gloss' that plastic often has; I recently refinished an exterior spoiler for an Alfa Romeo Milano, again using SEM trim paint (a different code from the Scorpion paint). After spraying the piece I noticed the paint dried way too flat looking as compared to the other pieces on the car. To replicate the semi-gloss appearance of the original pieces I wet sanded the spoiler after spraying the final coat. I started with 1500 grit and then sanded it again using 2000 grit paper. For the final finish step I used a 'low grade' hand polishing compound to give the piece that slight sheen plastic often has. In fact a plastic polish would work well for this step too. BTW: These Alfa trim pieces are not really a plastic like the Scorpion pieces are. The bottom line is I was very pleased with the final results. SEM paint is forgiving and spraying errors can be fixed fairly easily.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Tim