16v Delta integrale head.

[Huskyfan42]

Hi,

The head is from a 16V Delta integrale and yes that is a 2 litre engine -
but if it will fit onto a Montecarlo, i wouldn't like to say !!!!

Does anyone know the answer to this question? Thank you Tom

[antony]

hi
sorry,for my english , I think you can find any informations in this
adress www.fiat@turbo124 and some last time Ihad speak with a
guy in France he had put a 16V delta head on S2 monte carlo he said me that the probleme is to make a new exhaust line and a short kit car admision . I think that is a good solution for me to use unleaded petrol
and to have a litle more power
regards

[antony]

hi
sorry,for my english , I think you can find any informations in this
adress www.fiat@turbo124 and some last time Ihad speak with a
guy in France he had put a 16V delta head on S2 monte carlo he said me that the probleme is to make a new exhaust line and a short kit car admision . I think that is a good solution for me to use unleaded petrol
and to have a litle more power
regards

[antony]

sorry the adress is fiat@turbo124

[omicron]

You will need different pistons to suit. The inlet and exhaust ports are reversed on the later head which will require thinking about from an inlet and exhaust point of view.

[Hamish]

The inlet and exhaust ports are reversed on the later head which will require thinking about from an inlet and exhaust point of view.

In other words, it'd be more than a bit tricky to actually do the job....
As I recall, for the Montecarlo/Scorpion and Beta engines the only 16 valve head that will fit with the engine in 'stock' position under the bonnet is a Fiat 131 16V (possibly 124?) but they're both seriously rare and expensive..... :roll:
Sorry can't be more helpful.

[antony]

hi
thank you , for your information , now I understand the words for to say
the inlet and exhaust port , I have a monte carlo S1 since 23 years
but Idrive all days with a lancia Thema 16V and Iknow that the inlet and
exhaust port are not in the same way Idont know to say in inglish
the probleme for me is to use the unleaded petrole in my monte carlo and Iam thinking in a second solution to change all the engin with the gear box for a lanciavolumex engin (beta ,coupè, trevi, hpe ) what you think ?
regards

so sorry for my english

[omicron]

One way would be simply to use an additive when you fill up with petrol. Valvemaster is very good, formulation based on manganese which I believe was superior to lead, but lead was cheaper...

[Hamish]

Antony,
I might be a lot easier to get your cylinder head converted to run on unleaded. There have been many postings about this before, have a look at some of the history on the forum.
The VX conversion has been done many times I'm sure, but it also needs to be converted (I can see the same old posts coming back to this one :!: ) to run unleaded fuel so it is not a solution, just another problem :!:
Worth emailing Chad at the Monte Hospital, have a look at the links page. :wink:

[omicron]

We usually recommend running on an additive known to be good (eg Valvemaster), and when the cylinder head has to be removed for some reason, then that is the time to get the valve seats changed as the labour taking the head on and off is not duplicated.

[DJ]

I keep seeing a lot of the guys in the UK and Europe talk about converting their heads to run unleaded fuel and I have to ask a simple question. Why don't you just source a good head from the US? From at least 1976 onward, ALL of our engines used unleaded fuel and there are tons of good used heads around.

Maybe this is a great new business opportunity for me? :D

[Wallace]

I do actually wonder on this - has ANYONE ever ran their engine on unleaded and had ANY PROBLEMS with valve seat recession ?? !!

[alexd]

As I bought my first Monte some years ago, I asked Lancia Germany if they're any problems with running the engine with unleaded fuel. The answer was no problem, no changes or additives required.
So I ran my first and now second Monte unleaded without troubles. An additive may be helpful but I don't think it's real necessary.

[Allen Lofland]

Now don't take this peronally but the British are responsible for this Leaded fuel thing. Sure, some of the older cars had a problem, but they are long gone or on display somewhere by now :)
The British also talk about de-carbonising their engines hehe. As if I would remove my head to scrape of the carbon on the top of the piston when I can just do an old Itlain tune=up on the highway and take care of it :) I know, that's over simplification hehe. But get over this un-leaded fuel thing guys. Run your cars and if you valves burn, Have them Re-done like we Americans do every 50-60 thousand miles and enjoy your cars.......... My sister has a 1964 Volvo 1800 , She calls me up and says the car is running bad again, Bring it over and leave it for a day and I will tune it up. hehe...So I take it out on the road and run the XXXXX out of it and after about 30 minutes she is purring again. My sister thinks I am a very talented mechanic :) When it fact I am just driving it like an Itlaian design should be driven.:)
O and her valves are fine :) and she runs 93 octane unleaded for years.
bye, have a good one. Gotta go tune up the rider mower hehe

[Wallace]

I'm afraid it is a "Brit" thing because our great car industry persisted in using shite cast iron heads (complete with push rods, single cams etc etc) while the rest or the world moved on better things. And unleaded petrol IS a promlem with these engines (Mini A series being a really good/bad example).

I agree with Allen - keep a eye on the clearances and if they do start to close up, get the head done. Otherwise I personally wouldn't bother !